diff --git a/NAMESPACE b/NAMESPACE
index 3d6ecf8..636ae9d 100644
--- a/NAMESPACE
+++ b/NAMESPACE
@@ -34,11 +34,13 @@ export(banc_brain_side_view)
 export(banc_cave_client)
 export(banc_cave_query)
 export(banc_cave_tables)
+export(banc_cave_views)
 export(banc_cell_ids)
 export(banc_cell_info)
 export(banc_cellid_from_segid)
 export(banc_change_log)
 export(banc_decapitate)
+export(banc_edgelist)
 export(banc_front_view)
 export(banc_ggneuron)
 export(banc_ids)
@@ -83,6 +85,7 @@ export(banctable_update_rows)
 export(choose_banc)
 export(dr_banc)
 export(elastix_xform)
+export(franken_meta)
 export(geom_neuron)
 export(ggneuron)
 export(ggplot2_neuron_path)
diff --git a/R/banc-table.R b/R/banc-table.R
index 24e6b29..9a8fe5c 100644
--- a/R/banc-table.R
+++ b/R/banc-table.R
@@ -366,6 +366,15 @@ banctable_move_to_bigdata <- function(table = "banc_meta",
 # response = requests.post(url, headers=headers, json=body)
 # print(response.text)
 
+#' @export
+#' @rdname banctable_query
+franken_meta <- function(sql = "SELECT * FROM franken_meta",
+                         base = "cns_meta", ...){
+  df <- banctable_query(sql=sql, base=base, ...) %>%
+    dplyr::select(-dplyr::starts_with(c("FAFB_", "MANC_")))
+  df
+}
+
 #' @export
 #' @rdname banctable_query
 banctable_append_rows <- function (df,
@@ -390,11 +399,12 @@ banctable_append_rows <- function (df,
     chunkids = rep(seq_len(nchunks), rep(chunksize, nchunks))[seq_len(nx)]
     chunks = split(df, chunkids)
     oks = pbapply::pbsapply(chunks, banctable_append_rows,
-                            table = table, base = base, chunksize = Inf, ...)
+                            table = table, base = base, chunksize = Inf, bigdata = bigdata,
+                            ...)
     return(all(oks))
   }
   pyl = fafbseg:::df2appendpayload(df)
-  if(bigdata){
+  if(!bigdata){
     res = base$batch_append_rows(table_name = table, rows_data = pyl)
   }else{
     res = base$big_data_insert_rows(table_name = table, rows_data = pyl)
@@ -612,6 +622,9 @@ banctable_updateids <- function(){
 
   # Update
   cat('updating banc meta seatable...\n')
+  bc.new <- bc.new %>%
+    dplyr::filter(!is.na(`_id`)) %>%
+    dplyr::distinct(`_id`, .keep_all = TRUE)
   bc.new[is.na(bc.new)] <- ''
   bc.new[bc.new=="0"] <- ''
   banctable_update_rows(df = bc.new,
@@ -703,3 +716,6 @@ banctable_annotate <- function(root_ids,
 }
 
 
+#' @export
+#' @rdname banctable_query
+
diff --git a/R/cave-tables.R b/R/cave-tables.R
index 509a193..aa87601 100644
--- a/R/cave-tables.R
+++ b/R/cave-tables.R
@@ -47,6 +47,40 @@ banc_cave_tables <- function(datastack_name = NULL,
   }
 }
 
+#' @rdname banc_cave_tables
+#' @export
+banc_edgelist <- function(...){
+  el <- with_banc(cave_view_query("synapses_v1_backbone_proofread_counts", fetch_all_rows= TRUE, ...))
+  el <- el %>%
+    dplyr::arrange(dplyr::desc(n))
+  el
+}
+
+#' @rdname banc_cave_tables
+#' @export
+banc_cave_views <- function(datastack_name = NULL,
+                             select = NULL){
+  if(is.null(datastack_name))
+    datastack_name=banc_datastack_name()
+  fac <- fafbseg::flywire_cave_client(datastack_name = datastack_name)
+  dsinfo <- fac$info$get_datastack_info()
+  tt <- unique(names(fac$materialize$get_views()))
+  if(!is.null(select)){
+    chosen_tables <- grep(select, tt)
+    if (length(chosen_tables) == 0)
+      stop(sprintf("I cannot find a '%s' view for datastack: ", select),
+           datastack_name, "\nPlease ask for help on #annotation_infrastructure https://flywire-forum.slack.com/archives/C01M4LP2Y2D")
+    if (length(chosen_tables) == 1)
+      return(tt[chosen_tables])
+    chosen <- tt[rev(chosen_tables)[1]]
+    warning(sprintf("Multiple candidate '%s' views. Choosing: ", select),
+            chosen)
+    return(chosen)
+  }else{
+    return(tt)
+  }
+}
+
 #' @rdname banc_cave_tables
 #' @export
 banc_nuclei <- function (rootids = NULL,
@@ -300,7 +334,135 @@ banc_cave_cell_types <- function(user_id = NULL){
 #                       chunksize = 1000)
 
 
-
-
-
+# hidden
+cave_view_query <- function(table,
+                            datastack_name = getOption("fafbseg.cave.datastack_name","flywire_fafb_production"),
+                            version = NULL,
+                            timestamp = NULL,
+                            live = is.null(version),
+                            timetravel = FALSE,
+                            filter_in_dict = NULL, filter_out_dict = NULL, filter_regex_dict = NULL,
+                            filter_equal_dict=NULL, filter_greater_dict=NULL, filter_less_dict=NULL,
+                            filter_greater_equal_dict=NULL, filter_less_equal_dict=NULL, filter_spatial_dict=NULL,
+                            select_columns = NULL, offset = 0L, limit = NULL, fetch_all_rows = FALSE,
+                            ...) {
+  if (isTRUE(live) && !is.null(version))
+    warning("live=TRUE so ignoring materialization version")
+  if (is.null(live) && !is.null(timestamp))
+    live = TRUE
+  if (isFALSE(live) && is.null(version)) {
+    warning("Defaulting to latest materialisation version since live=FALSE\n",
+            "Specify `version='latest' instead to avoid this warning")
+    version = flywire_version("latest", datastack_name = datastack_name)
+  }
+  if (!is.null(timestamp) && !is.null(version))
+    stop("You can only supply one of timestamp and materialization version")
+  check_package_available("arrow")
+  fac = flywire_cave_client(datastack_name = datastack_name)
+  offset = checkmate::asInt(offset, lower = 0L)
+  if (!is.null(limit))
+    limit = checkmate::asInt(limit, lower = 0L)
+  is_view = table %in% fafbseg:::cave_views(fac)
+  version = fafbseg:::flywire_version(version, datastack_name = datastack_name)
+  if (!is.null(version)) {
+    available = version %in% fafbseg:::flywire_version("available", datastack_name = datastack_name)
+    if (!available) {
+      if (is_view)
+        stop("Sorry! Views only work with unexpired materialisation versions.\n",
+             "See https://flywire-forum.slack.com/archives/C01M4LP2Y2D/p1697956174773839 for info.")
+      timestamp = fafbseg:::flywire_timestamp(version, datastack_name = datastack_name,
+                                    convert = F)
+      message("Materialisation version no longer available. Falling back to (slower) timestamp!")
+      if (isFALSE(live))
+        live = TRUE
+      version = NULL
+    }
+  }
+  now = fafbseg:::flywire_timestamp(timestamp = "now", convert = FALSE)
+  if(timetravel) {
+    timestamp2 = fafbseg:::flywire_timestamp(version, timestamp = timestamp,
+                                   datastack_name = datastack_name)
+    timestamp = now
+    version = NULL
+    live = 2L
+  }
+  filter_in_dict = fafbseg:::cavedict_rtopy(filter_in_dict, wrap_table = if (isTRUE(live == 2))
+    table
+    else NULL)
+  filter_out_dict = fafbseg:::cavedict_rtopy(filter_out_dict)
+  filter_equal_dict = fafbseg:::cavedict_rtopy(filter_equal_dict)
+  filter_greater_dict = fafbseg:::cavedict_rtopy(filter_greater_dict)
+  filter_less_dict = fafbseg:::cavedict_rtopy(filter_less_dict)
+  filter_greater_equal_dict = fafbseg:::cavedict_rtopy(filter_greater_equal_dict)
+  filter_less_equal_dict = fafbseg:::cavedict_rtopy(filter_less_equal_dict)
+  filter_spatial_dict = fafbseg:::cavedict_rtopy(filter_spatial_dict)
+  if (!is.null(filter_regex_dict)) {
+    was_char = is.character(filter_regex_dict)
+    if (was_char) {
+      filter_regex_dict = as.list(filter_regex_dict)
+      if (isTRUE(live == 2)) {
+        warning("When live==2 / timetravel=T filter_regex_dict should be a list of form: ",
+                "`list(<table_name>=c(<colname>='<regex>'))`",
+                "\n", "I'm going to try and format your input correctly.")
+        filter_regex_dict = list(filter_regex_dict)
+        names(filter_regex_dict) = table
+      }
+    }
+  }
+  if (!is.null(select_columns)) {
+    if (isTRUE(live == 2) && is.character(select_columns)) {
+      warning("When live==2 / timetravel=T select_columns should be a list of form: ",
+              "`list(<table_name>=c('col1', 'col2'))`", "\n",
+              "I'm going to try and format your input correctly.")
+      select_columns = list(select_columns)
+      names(select_columns) = table
+    }
+  }
+  annotdfs = list()
+  while (offset >= 0) {
+    pymsg <- reticulate::py_capture_output({
+      annotdf <- if (is_view) {
+        if (!is.null(timestamp))
+          stop("Sorry! You cannot specify a timestamp when querying a view.\n",
+               "You can specify older timepoints by using unexpired materialisation versions.\n",
+               "See https://flywire-forum.slack.com/archives/C01M4LP2Y2D/p1697956174773839 for info.")
+        reticulate::py_call(fac$materialize$query_view,
+                            view_name = table, materialization_version = version,
+                            filter_in_dict = filter_in_dict, filter_out_dict = filter_out_dict,
+                            filter_equal_dict=filter_equal_dict,
+                            #filter_greater_dict=filter_equal_dict,
+                            #filter_less_dict=filter_less_dict,filter_greater_equal_dict=filter_greater_equal_dict,
+                            #filter_less_equal_dict=filter_less_equal_dict, filter_spatial_dict=filter_spatial_dict,
+                            filter_regex_dict = filter_regex_dict, select_columns = select_columns,
+                            offset = offset, limit = limit, ...)
+      }else{
+        stop("Sorry, no valid view specified")
+      }
+      annotdf <- fafbseg:::pandas2df(annotdf)
+    })
+    annotdfs[[length(annotdfs) + 1]] = annotdf
+    limited_query = isTRUE(grepl("Limited query to", pymsg))
+    if (limited_query && is.null(limit) && !fetch_all_rows)
+      warning(paste(pymsg, "\nUse fetch_all_rows=T or set an explicit limit to avoid warning!"))
+    else if (!limited_query && nzchar(pymsg)) {
+      warning(pymsg)
+    }
+    offset <- if (fetch_all_rows && limited_query)
+      offset + nrow(annotdf)
+    else -1L
+  }
+  res <- if (length(annotdfs) == 1)
+    annotdfs[[1]]
+  else dplyr::bind_rows(annotdfs)
+  if (timetravel) {
+    if (!all(c("pt_supervoxel_id", "pt_root_id") %in% colnames(res)))
+      stop("Sorry I do not know how to time travel dataframes without `pt_supervoxel_id`, `pt_root_id` columns!",
+           if (is.null(select_columns))
+             ""
+           else "\nPlease review your value of `select_columns`!")
+    res$pt_root_id = flywire_updateids(res$pt_root_id, svids = res$pt_supervoxel_id,
+                                       timestamp = timestamp2, cache = T, Verbose = F)
+  }
+  res
+}
 
diff --git a/man/banc_cave_tables.Rd b/man/banc_cave_tables.Rd
index fca0d4d..e66f41d 100644
--- a/man/banc_cave_tables.Rd
+++ b/man/banc_cave_tables.Rd
@@ -2,6 +2,8 @@
 % Please edit documentation in R/cave-tables.R
 \name{banc_cave_tables}
 \alias{banc_cave_tables}
+\alias{banc_edgelist}
+\alias{banc_cave_views}
 \alias{banc_nuclei}
 \alias{banc_cell_info}
 \alias{banc_cell_ids}
@@ -12,6 +14,10 @@
 \usage{
 banc_cave_tables(datastack_name = NULL, select = NULL)
 
+banc_edgelist(...)
+
+banc_cave_views(datastack_name = NULL, select = NULL)
+
 banc_nuclei(
   rootids = NULL,
   nucleus_ids = NULL,
@@ -38,6 +44,9 @@ banc_backbone_proofread(rootids = NULL)
 
 \item{select}{A regex term for the name of the table you want}
 
+\item{...}{Additional arguments passed to
+\code{fafbseg::\link{flywire_cave_query}}}
+
 \item{rootids}{#' @param rootids Character vector specifying one or more BANC rootids. As a
 convenience this argument is passed to \code{\link{banc_ids}} allowing you
 to pass in data.frames, BANC URLs or simple ids.}
@@ -47,9 +56,6 @@ to pass in data.frames, BANC URLs or simple ids.}
 \item{table}{Possible alternative tables for the sort of data frame the function returns. One must be chosen.}
 
 \item{rawcoords}{Logical, whether or not to convert from raw coordinates into nanometers. Default is \code{FALSE}.}
-
-\item{...}{Additional arguments passed to
-\code{fafbseg::\link{flywire_cave_query}}}
 }
 \value{
 A \code{data.frame} describing a CAVE-table related to the BANC project.
diff --git a/man/banctable_query.Rd b/man/banctable_query.Rd
index b34ad2e..229d64d 100644
--- a/man/banctable_query.Rd
+++ b/man/banctable_query.Rd
@@ -6,6 +6,7 @@
 \alias{banctable_login}
 \alias{banctable_update_rows}
 \alias{banctable_move_to_bigdata}
+\alias{franken_meta}
 \alias{banctable_append_rows}
 \title{Read and write to the seatable for draft BANC annotations}
 \usage{
@@ -53,6 +54,8 @@ banctable_move_to_bigdata(
   invert = FALSE
 )
 
+franken_meta(sql = "SELECT * FROM franken_meta", base = "cns_meta", ...)
+
 banctable_append_rows(
   df,
   table,