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Prognostic lightning from CAM #1630
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Comments from Mary Barth: Just to let you know that flash frequency can be grid size dependent in two ways. If I recall, the CAM flash frequency parameterization depends on "cloud top height". It's a power law so it is very sensitive to the cloud top height. With dz=1000 m, a change in the model level for cloud top height can substantially change flash frequency. Also, it's better to use level of neutral buoyancy than actual cloud top height because the original empirical relation used top of the 20 dBZ contour for the storm and not the actual cloud edge. Okay, that's most of what I know about lightning. Flash rate definitely needs to be evaluated for refined grid meshes. |
Mary is correct that the fire model is looking to use cloud-to-ground lightning and only uses a portion of that. Within CTSM there is an "ignition efficiency" parameter that is used in the calculation of ignitions. From previous documentation this value was 20%, but I would need to confirm a current value. |
Based on the meeting today: we would like to pass the the flash frequency (flash_freq), scaled by the cloud-to-ground fraction of flashes (cgic), to CTSM so it can be used to trigger fires. It appears to me that mo_lightning is always called by the physics, but inside mo_lightning there is a check for the NO species in the chemistry and returns if not found. We will need to add some other flag so as to do the flash frequency calculation when NO is not present, and it is desired for the land model. A scale factor will be needed, applied in CTSM (?), that will probably need to be changed depending on model resolution. It is also desired to have a namelist flag to indicate if fires are triggered by CAM lightning or climatologies from fire. |
@fvitt when you start working on this, I'd like to make sure it's implemented in a way that the CTSM can know that lightning is being sent and doesn't need to provide lightning files to the CTSM namelist. We didn't do this for ndep, and that has caused some problems. So I'd like to do it in a better way for Lightning. I think the way to do that is to add a namelist option to the drv_flds_in namelist. Then both CAM and CTSM can query it, and know what to do. |
@lkemmons @dlawrenncar In what units should the lightning flash frequency passed to the mediator be? It seems that mo_lightning computes the flash frequency in units of /min. I can easily convert to /sec if that is preferred. |
@ekluzek How does this sound for a namelist indicator in drv_flds_in?
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The lightning dataset that is currently being used within CTSM is in units
of. flash/km2/hr, which is obviously a strange unit. I think that whatever
unit you use, we can accommodate it. What we need is cloud-to-ground
lightning, which based on prior comments in this thread, it looks like it
should be possible to provide.
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@ekluzek <https://github.com/ekluzek> How does this sound for a namelist
indicator in drv_flds_in?
<!-- ======================================================================================== -->
<!-- Lightning flash frequency -->
<!-- ======================================================================================== -->
<entry id="atm_lightning_flash_freq">
<type>char</type>
<category>drv_flds_in</category>
<group>lightning_coupling_nl</group>
<desc>
If TRUE atmosphere model will provide prognosed lightning flash frequency
</desc>
</entry>
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@fvitt on the namelist since it's a namelist you might as well make it logical rather than character. And maybe change to something like The other suggestion is to make the variable name that's passed be clear if it's the total flash frequency or only the cloud to ground lightning. If it's the total we'll use the formulation inside of CTSM fire to approximate the cloud-to-ground portion. If you send just the cloud-to-ground portion we'll need to have a flag to turn that conversion off inside of CTSM and FATES. It would be better for CAM to be in control of the fraction that's cloud-to-ground so I'd prefer if you did that conversion inside of CAM even if it starts as the same approximation we use. I agree with @dlawrenncar the units we read on the file of flash/km2/hr is kind of odd, so we'll just convert inside of CTSM to what we need. |
I am not sure if we are estimating cloud-to-ground flash freq or just the total flash frequency. @lkemmons do you know? |
The variable 'cgic' in mo_lightning is the fraction of cloud-ground flashes in a storm. We no longer use it to calculate NO emissions because we assume that cloud-ground and cloud-cloud flash energies are the same. |
I believe this will give cloud-to-ground flash frequency (per minute) in each grid box which CAM will pass to the mediator (to CTSM)
@ekluzek Is a simple logical namelist variable |
@fvitt yes a logical atm_provides_lightning in drv_fld_in is great. |
@fvitt has a PR related to this in CAM, #747... there's likely lots of science that should be discussed if we're thinking of using this in CTSM6, @dlawrenncar ? |
If the question is about prioritization, then I'm not sure where to put
it. Not up there at the top of the list, but if the PR is ready to be
pulled in, then we may want pull it in as an option. Then, we would have
the opportunity to test it out.
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@fvitt <https://github.com/fvitt> has a PR related to this in CAM, #747
<ESCOMP/CAM#747>... there's likely lots of
science that should be discussed if we're thinking of using this in CTSM6,
@dlawrenncar <https://github.com/dlawrenncar> ?
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From co-chairs today, it sounds like CAM will be able to send us lightning strikes, opening up the door for lots of science to start investigating and tuning this for coupled model simulations. Broadly, there's interest in having this be a feature in CESM3. Not sure who may be available or interested in thinking about this? |
looks like this is nearly ready to bring in on the CAM + CMEPS side. @dlawrenncar do we have anyone who can look at using this modeled lightning data for fire ignitions in CTSM? Maybe the obvious first step would be to compare the NASA stream we're currently inputting with results coming from CAM. Is this something that you can work into your schedule, @olyson ? |
Yes. Maybe the first thing would be to get a look at the differences in
the climatology of lightning strikes from the NASA stream vs a 10-year CAM
run. Then, perhaps we could archive the lightning from the CAM run and
create a climatology that looks like the NASA stream and run that through a
CTSM land-only run to see what the impact is.
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looks like this is nearly ready to bring in on the CAM + CMEPS side.
@dlawrenncar <https://github.com/dlawrenncar> do we have anyone who can
look at using this modeled lightning data for fire ignitions in CTSM? Maybe
the obvious first step would be to compare the NASA stream we're currently
inputting with results coming from CAM. Is this something that you can work
into your schedule, @olyson <https://github.com/olyson> ?
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I can look at this sometime in the next couple of weeks. Let me know where the CAM run is. |
I don't know that there is a CAM run yet. I think we may need to run one
ourselves. It looks like @fvitt is the one who would know if this is ready
for a run to be done to start this testing process.
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I can look at this sometime in the next couple of weeks. Let me know where
the CAM run is.
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They are doing so much testing of CAM right now, hopefully we can look at a
run that Adam or Cecile is already planning to investigate?
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… I don't know that there is a CAM run yet. I think we may need to run one
ourselves. It looks like @fvitt is the one who would know if this is ready
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Here is a comparison of the annual climatology of total-flashes from the lightning streams file from NASA (top) and from a nine year CAM simulation (bottom): The next plot compares cloud-to-ground flashes from NASA (top) to CAM (bottom): I've created a 2-hourly climatology of LGHTNG_CLD2GRND (cld2grnd-flashes km-2 hr-1) to replace the NASA product (and removed the cloud-to-ground lightning fraction in the code) and run the model. Diagnostics compared to a control are here. |
Thanks for taking a look at this @olyson, I wonder if we should discuss further at the CLM meeting next week? A few questions come to mind:
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Thanks @olyson. FYI, I won't be at the meeting next week. Previously, the
fire model has been tuned at least a little bit. I don't know if Fang
would be willing or able to do it next time. It seems like a quick
conversation with the CAM group would be warranted to try to understand
what the strengths and limitations of the lightning representation is. For
example, do they know why they are getting so many strikes over the Andes
mountains? Overall, though, as one might expect, the impacts are not super
big, probably because lightning is just one of many ignition sources for
the fire model.
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Thanks for taking a look at this @olyson <https://github.com/olyson>, I
wonder if we should discuss further at the CLM meeting next week? A few
questions come to mind:
- It seems like there a number of scientific questions we could ask
with this as we learn more about the capability. Is there someone who may
be interested in doing this (or asked to do so)?
- My sense is that the fire module gets tuned for each model release,
but I don't have a good idea how big a change this is to try and
recalibrate the fire module? Is this Fang has any interested in doing again?
- How much may results change in transient simulations (I'd assume we
have no information on this now)
- Are these results likely to be changing much with modifications to
CAM (e.g. how 'stable' are these results)?
- Assuming this is a dataset we ultimately want to use, or at least
enable, do we make streams files for offline simulations?
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Note: This work has both come into CMEPS and CAM, and there is a logical trigger that can be set to control it in place now. We currently don't handle it in CTSM so even though it's passed CTSM doesn't do anything with it. I added an issue in CAM to not pass it by default: NOTE: Until this is default on it should be off, and it should be controlled by CTSM in the build-namelist. And until we can handle it we should add a warning if someone turns it on. |
Lightning strikes are one of the sources of fire ignition used by both the CLM big leaf and FATES fire models. Currently, lightning strikes are obtained from a static climatological dataset. Ideally, CLM would be able to use either this climatological dataset OR prognostic lightning coming from CAM. The climatological dataset from NASA provides 2-hourly 'flashes/km2/h' at 0.5 degrees
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Email discussions with CAM group:
Andrew Gettelman:
There is a parameterization for NOx production from lightning:
https://github.com/ESCOMP/CAM/blob/cam6_3_045/src/chemistry/mozart/mo_lightning.F90
That produces a cloud to ground v. in cloud ratio and a total discharge energy based on cloud top height, depth and 'charging zone'. There are output fields for the energy, frequency and the ratio of ground to in-cloud....
There is a 'Flash Frequency' in (flashes storm^-1 min^-1) in this code which is a function of cloud height (some referenced parametrization). That could probably be turned into km2/h with an assumption about storm size. Not sure if it runs all the time or it has to be invoked outside of the mozart chemistry. Will need to contact Chem folks (Simone, Louisa, Francis) to learn more.
To mitigate a situation where the CAM lightning dataset 'screws' up land fire simlations (i.e., if CAM lightning distrubution / frequency is way different to NASA), as an intermediate step, you can configure a unit conversion so that (flashes storm^-1 min^-1) * Factor ≈ flashes/km2/h . Then the 'Factor' is adjustable but hopefully is sensible in terms of storm/km2 * min/h ....
Rich Neale: (an alternative solution)
The question is how would we map variables from convection that would be 'responsible' for most of the lightning at 1 deg.
This could be mass flux, convective heating, convective precip., convective top and I'm sure there are empirical representations available for this.
Here are a couple of examples that base it on cloud top height, mass flux and convective precip. Which would be easy.
https://doi.org/10.1175/JTECH-D-13-00261.1
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682610002154
Dave:
OK. I will arrange a meeting after LMWG and AMWG meetings to discuss with CAM-Chem folks and Andrew/Rich and CLM people.
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